LHL is ranked lowest consistently in both responses. So what?
What really matters is he is rated highly among the PAP MPs. That's why he is PM!
Mr Tan, such ratings initiated by you are actually quite irrelevant, just like the petitions you sent to the authorities. Irrelevant because they make no impact, no difference to the course of events.
Maybe you should rethink your strategy beyond rankings, surveys, statistics, blogs and Hong Lim gatherings(you have ended it for good).
I suspect that many of the visitors to my blog have lost a lot of money on the mini-bonds and other credit linked notes, and they are disappointed at the response of the authority. This makes them appear to be "anti-establishment".
LHL is not ranked lowest in both responses as alleged by Anon 12.33 am. It always baffled me that the country has people who cannot even analyse a simple survey yet want to criticise just for the sake of criticising. I suspect our president is the one who is ranked lowest in both responses, even though I do not have the information since it is not revealed. I participated in the survey and surprisingly, my inputs were mirrored quite closely with the release of the survey results for 11 of the personalities surveyed. I did not lose any money in the minibond saga. I am still actively investing all this time and still able to make good percentages in my investments. In fact, my most recent investment netted me over 40% profit and I will be collecting the profit tomorrow. I am also not "anti-establishment". Let me share my thoughts on why I voted this way. JBJ has my highest rating because he has demonstrated his fighting spirit even until death. His indomitable spirit spanning decades has my highest respect and he has achieved many first, including breaking the ruling party dominance, indeed an uphill task. He has also not been indicted in any scandal or unfair or dishonest dealings. So we have an honest man, whom the PAP machinery could not uncover any dirt. What he believed and stood for is clear for anyone to see. LKY got a slightly higher than medium rating from me because of his many past mega achievements and for what he has done for Singapore. However, his ratings got negated by the fact that his recent performance, or lack of it, especially his few major strategic political errors he has made in recent years, lowered his ranking in my mind. TT got a fairly high ranking because of his no nonsense and steady performance but did not get the highest ranking because of his involvement with Temasek. He still got a higher ranking from me than LKY because he is not that active in making strategic errors relating to the human heart. KBW got a relatively high rating from me than the other bigwigs because of his steady and factual approach. Somehow his ranking is lower than what I have voted for partly I think is because of the continued high costs of healthcare and means testing but I am with him on means testing but a little bit concerned with the fact that rich foreigners are able to get immediate medical attention while subsidised Singaporeans have to be put on waiting lists even for major medical conditions like cardiac problems. CSJ got a relative high rating from me because of his never say die attitude and his sacrifice for his fellow Singaporeans even though some of his antics are also not popular with the masses and me. LHL got a low rating from me but not the lowest, I reserved that for SRN. LHL got a low rating from me because of his lack of leadership in the many issues that arose in the past months. I expected a sharper response from the Prime Minister of a first world country and I could not see him demonstrate that. But he is a sincere man though that is not good enough for me as I have the highest expectation of a Prime Minister. SRN got the lowest rating from me because of the impression that I get of him just existing for the highest position in the land. In my opinion, he is not a people's president as he is not seen to be actively safeguarding the people's rights and concerns. He seems quite contented to be just saluted and accorded twenty one gun salutes on national events. I am giving this candid appraisal in the hope that everyone who got lower ratings than they expected to work harder to win the hearts and minds of the masses and for those who have got high ratings, with the exception of JBJ, to work even harder to maintain their high ratings. This is also for Tan KL, to let him know that his surveys are taken seriously, and not just by people who lost money or are anti-establishments or who cannot make it in life or who have money problems. There are real people out here who are logical and analytical who takes part in his surveys are are not afraid to be counted to play his part as a Singaporean.
To prevent this blog from creating the impression that is is becoming antigovernment, I think a lot depends on the background of those who are involved in the survey. I may have nominated Mr Tan Kin Lian to be the hopeful president of Singapore, however, my utmost respect is always with Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
Not ranking PAP ministers high = anti-establishment?
For goodness sake, all Tan Kin Lian did was open a survey, invited readers of his blog, most of whom are anonymous to him to fill up the survey.
Suppose you choose 100 random strangers from the street, ask them to complete the same survey and got the same result, are you going to conclude that the people from that street are mostly anti-establishment just because they did not rank PAP highly?
Grow up friends. A survey is just a survey. If you want to see skewed statistics that always show PAP high on the score, you can always skip this blog and just buy a copy of Straits Time.
As Falcon said of Anon 12.33 - it is baffling that the country has "people who cannot even analyse a simple survey yet want to criticise just for the sake of criticising.". Also why remain anon. My views are similar to Falcon who has succinctly describe reasons for the ratings that he/she ahs given. I am also not anti establishment. The survey is relatively balanced as you can see that LKY is among the top 5 being from the establishment. One gives credit where it deserves. LHL is a far shadow from his father. Even GCT has done better during his reign as PM. Instead of viewing this survey as a possible feedback from the people, netizens in this case, and understand the reasons behind this, you have one of these people (possibly pro establishment), who sees this as criticism and not constructive feedback.
Relevance is not the issue. It is interesting to understand how netizens view the current politicians since we will never be able to get this out from the mainstream media, especially with editors like Ms Chua Lee Hoong who profanes outright in her articles on the opposition, quoting from Singapore enquirer "the outright disrespect and contempt displayed by the mainstream media against Singapore’s opposition as exemplified by the same writer’s (Ms Chua Lee Hoong) malicious assault on Dr Chee’s character in a previous article, have ailenated and peeved many Singaporeans off, including those who are politically neutral."
Anon 12.33 also writes - "Mr Tan, such ratings initiated by you are actually quite irrelevant, just like the petitions you sent to the authorities. Irrelevant because they make no impact, no difference to the course of events."
* Why does he/she feel that this is irrelevant - to him/her only? * What makes him/her think that there is no impact, no difference to the course of action?
Anon 11.32 writes - "I think the survey shows the majority of the visitors to your blogg is anti-establishment." - do you mean that majority of the 890,114 visitors so far to TKL blog is anti-establishment. Come on. I have also not purchased any mini bonds.
Anon 6.37 - "A survey is... just a survey.....If you want to see skewed statistics that always show PAP high on the score, you can always skip this blog and just buy a copy of Straits Time."
The sad thing is that the survey will never translate into votes ( partly because of GRC and partly because some contituencies will never have an opposition candidate standing )
"I suspect that many of the visitors to my blog have lost a lot of money on the mini-bonds and other credit linked notes, and they are disappointed at the response of the authority. This makes them appear to be "anti-establishment"."
After trying for a few days, still could not figure out TT and SJ. Can some kind soul drop some hints without revealing their names? Thank you very much.
Some people commented that this survey is biased and voters are anti establishment. I disagree.
TT has a high rating.
In SG it is fashionable to condemn a person for even very very minor mistake or wrong doing. Yet, for all the atrocious past deeds of LKY all are forgotten or forgiven and he still earns a high rating.
If voters are anti establishment then I say LKY would not even be listed, ie fall out of the list since it will be right at the bottom far below LHL.
I did not take the survey on Politicians because I don't know them all. Among those more prominent in the news, I would rank LKY, TT, CST higher than LHL, CSJ.
We should not generalize that those who read Mr Tan's blog are minibond victims or anti-govt.
I first came to know Mr Tan's blog at the height of Lehman's saga. I gain lots of insight reading Mr Tan's advice on Insurance. I took part in his survey on Life Insurance Policy because he raised a very VALID point, which no one has raised in Parliament yet(?)
I am not anti-govt, nor pro-opposition. I access each candidate for their merits.
Just like LKY has ensured MULTI-RACIAL HARMONY, I hope to see LSL work to reduce unhealthy POLITICS sentiments; and also to be MORE PROACTIVE and to RESPOND to the voices/cries of the people, especially during this difficult times. Hence I rank LSL quite low, but LKY very high. Nothing to do with PAP or not.
It appears to me that what started as free play of voting is getting a little distorted. I suspect it won’t be too long before TT occupies the No 2 or 1 slot. Is a hidden hand at work? Is he being prepared as the next PAP candidate for Presidency to meet the potential challenge of a strong, able and people-centered man like Tan Kin Lin? If this takes off it will be a battle of the titans. I must acknowledge though that TT is an affable and decent man but sadly he will be just another current President.
TT had made a reverse decision on education. That time, he told the news that there will be no part time engineering course in NTU or NUS. that was 1992 if i remember correctly. But a two years later, the decision was reversed. It affected my decisions. I dont think has far sight. Now we have NTU, NUS, SMU, and the fourth one coming up. Dont make far sight decision. Just in time decision will be much better off.
I wish to request a new topic about Minister's pay. I wish to suggest that Prime Minister's pay should be tagged at average mean of Singaporean's pay (and bonuses) and reviewed annually. In that way, he (Civil Servant) is on the ground/par with the people and he can really feel with the people. As for the Miniters, they should be 25% lower than PM.
Thank you Mr Tan for your kind service to the people.
LHL is ranked lowest consistently in both responses. So what?
ReplyDeleteWhat really matters is he is rated highly among the PAP MPs. That's why he is PM!
Mr Tan, such ratings initiated by you are actually quite irrelevant, just like the petitions you sent to the authorities. Irrelevant because they make no impact, no difference to the course of events.
Maybe you should rethink your strategy beyond rankings, surveys, statistics, blogs and Hong Lim gatherings(you have ended it for good).
Dear Mr. Tan,
ReplyDeleteI think the survey shows the majority of the visitors to your blogg is anti-establishment.
Hi 11:32 AM
ReplyDeleteI suspect that many of the visitors to my blog have lost a lot of money on the mini-bonds and other credit linked notes, and they are disappointed at the response of the authority. This makes them appear to be "anti-establishment".
LHL is not ranked lowest in both responses as alleged by Anon 12.33 am. It always baffled me that the country has people who cannot even analyse a simple survey yet want to criticise just for the sake of criticising. I suspect our president is the one who is ranked lowest in both responses, even though I do not have the information since it is not revealed.
ReplyDeleteI participated in the survey and surprisingly, my inputs were mirrored quite closely with the release of the survey results for 11 of the personalities surveyed.
I did not lose any money in the minibond saga. I am still actively investing all this time and still able to make good percentages in my investments. In fact, my most recent investment netted me over 40% profit and I will be collecting the profit tomorrow.
I am also not "anti-establishment".
Let me share my thoughts on why I voted this way.
JBJ has my highest rating because he has demonstrated his fighting spirit even until death. His indomitable spirit spanning decades has my highest respect and he has achieved many first, including breaking the ruling party dominance, indeed an uphill task. He has also not been indicted in any scandal or unfair or dishonest dealings. So we have an honest man, whom the PAP machinery could not uncover any dirt. What he believed and stood for is clear for anyone to see.
LKY got a slightly higher than medium rating from me because of his many past mega achievements and for what he has done for Singapore. However, his ratings got negated by the fact that his recent performance, or lack of it, especially his few major strategic political errors he has made in recent years, lowered his ranking in my mind.
TT got a fairly high ranking because of his no nonsense and steady performance but did not get the highest ranking because of his involvement with Temasek. He still got a higher ranking from me than LKY because he is not that active in making strategic errors relating to the human heart.
KBW got a relatively high rating from me than the other bigwigs because of his steady and factual approach. Somehow his ranking is lower than what I have voted for partly I think is because of the continued high costs of healthcare and means testing but I am with him on means testing but a little bit concerned with the fact that rich foreigners are able to get immediate medical attention while subsidised Singaporeans have to be put on waiting lists even for major medical conditions like cardiac problems.
CSJ got a relative high rating from me because of his never say die attitude and his sacrifice for his fellow Singaporeans even though some of his antics are also not popular with the masses and me.
LHL got a low rating from me but not the lowest, I reserved that for SRN.
LHL got a low rating from me because of his lack of leadership in the many issues that arose in the past months. I expected a sharper response from the Prime Minister of a first world country and I could not see him demonstrate that. But he is a sincere man though that is not good enough for me as I have the highest expectation of a Prime Minister.
SRN got the lowest rating from me because of the impression that I get of him just existing for the highest position in the land. In my opinion, he is not a people's president as he is not seen to be actively safeguarding the people's rights and concerns. He seems quite contented to be just saluted and accorded twenty one gun salutes on national events.
I am giving this candid appraisal in the hope that everyone who got lower ratings than they expected to work harder to win the hearts and minds of the masses and for those who have got high ratings, with the exception of JBJ, to work even harder to maintain their high ratings.
This is also for Tan KL, to let him know that his surveys are taken seriously, and not just by people who lost money or are anti-establishments or who cannot make it in life or who have money problems. There are real people out here who are logical and analytical who takes part in his surveys are are not afraid to be counted to play his part as a Singaporean.
What have JBJ and CST done to help the plight of this group of marginalised people?
ReplyDeleteTo prevent this blog from creating the impression that is is becoming antigovernment, I think a lot depends on the background of those who are involved in the survey.
ReplyDeleteI may have nominated Mr Tan Kin Lian to be the hopeful president of Singapore, however, my utmost respect is always with Mr Lee Kuan Yew.
A survey is... just a survey.
ReplyDeleteNot ranking PAP ministers high = anti-establishment?
For goodness sake, all Tan Kin Lian did was open a survey, invited readers of his blog, most of whom are anonymous to him to fill up the survey.
Suppose you choose 100 random strangers from the street, ask them to complete the same survey and got the same result, are you going to conclude that the people from that street are mostly anti-establishment just because they did not rank PAP highly?
Grow up friends. A survey is just a survey. If you want to see skewed statistics that always show PAP high on the score, you can always skip this blog and just buy a copy of Straits Time.
May I know who are: CST, TT, SJ & CSJ?
ReplyDeleteAs Falcon said of Anon 12.33 - it is baffling that the country has "people who cannot even analyse a simple survey yet want to criticise just for the sake of criticising.". Also why remain anon. My views are similar to Falcon who has succinctly describe reasons for the ratings that he/she ahs given. I am also not anti establishment. The survey is relatively balanced as you can see that LKY is among the top 5 being from the establishment. One gives credit where it deserves. LHL is a far shadow from his father. Even GCT has done better during his reign as PM. Instead of viewing this survey as a possible feedback from the people, netizens in this case, and understand the reasons behind this, you have one of these people (possibly pro establishment), who sees this as criticism and not constructive feedback.
ReplyDeleteRelevance is not the issue. It is interesting to understand how netizens view the current politicians since we will never be able to get this out from the mainstream media, especially with editors like Ms Chua Lee Hoong who profanes outright in her articles on the opposition, quoting from Singapore enquirer "the outright disrespect and contempt displayed by the mainstream media against Singapore’s opposition as exemplified by the same writer’s (Ms Chua Lee Hoong) malicious assault on Dr Chee’s character in a previous article, have ailenated and peeved many Singaporeans off, including those who are politically neutral."
Anon 12.33 also writes - "Mr Tan, such ratings initiated by you are actually quite irrelevant, just like the petitions you sent to the authorities. Irrelevant because they make no impact, no difference to the course of events."
* Why does he/she feel that this is irrelevant - to him/her only?
* What makes him/her think that there is no impact, no difference to the course of action?
Anon 11.32 writes - "I think the survey shows the majority of the visitors to your blogg is anti-establishment." - do you mean that majority of the 890,114 visitors so far to TKL blog is anti-establishment. Come on. I have also not purchased any mini bonds.
Anon 6.37 - "A survey is... just a survey.....If you want to see skewed statistics that always show PAP high on the score, you can always skip this blog and just buy a copy of Straits Time."
Especailly with Chua Lee Hoonng the writer . She is a gahmen propagandist
ReplyDeleteDear Falcon
ReplyDeleteMy wife salute your analysis - independent, logical and straight to the point.
From CASHEW NUT
The sad thing is that the survey will never translate into votes ( partly because of GRC and partly because some contituencies will never have an opposition candidate standing )
ReplyDelete"I suspect that many of the visitors to my blog have lost a lot of money on the mini-bonds and other credit linked notes, and they are disappointed at the response of the authority. This makes them appear to be "anti-establishment"."
ReplyDeleteerm. biased survey ?
After trying for a few days, still could not figure out TT and SJ. Can some kind soul drop some hints without revealing their names? Thank you very much.
ReplyDeleteRdgs
Still trying hard
Anon January 05, 2009 9:29 AM asked:
ReplyDeleteMay I know who are: CST, TT, SJ & CSJ?
Chiam See Tong, Tony Tan, S Jayakumar & Chee Soon Juan.
Thanks Cashew Nut for your wife's salute and SooJenn for your comments.
Thanks Falcon for enlightening.
ReplyDeleteRdgs,
Still trying hard
Anyone able to tell who are the 4 lowest ratings?
ReplyDeleteI dont see Wong Kan Seng on the list above.
Some people commented that this survey is biased and voters are anti establishment. I disagree.
ReplyDeleteTT has a high rating.
In SG it is fashionable to condemn a person for even very very minor mistake or wrong doing. Yet, for all the atrocious past deeds of LKY all are forgotten or forgiven and he still earns a high rating.
If voters are anti establishment then I say LKY would not even be listed, ie fall out of the list since it will be right at the bottom far below LHL.
I did not take the survey on Politicians because I don't know them all. Among those more prominent in the news, I would rank LKY, TT, CST higher than LHL, CSJ.
ReplyDeleteWe should not generalize that those who read Mr Tan's blog are minibond victims or anti-govt.
I first came to know Mr Tan's blog at the height of Lehman's saga. I gain lots of insight reading Mr Tan's advice on Insurance. I took part in his survey on Life Insurance Policy because he raised a very VALID point, which no one has raised in Parliament yet(?)
I am not anti-govt, nor pro-opposition. I access each candidate for their merits.
Just like LKY has ensured MULTI-RACIAL HARMONY, I hope to see LSL work to reduce unhealthy POLITICS sentiments; and also to be MORE PROACTIVE and to RESPOND to the voices/cries of the people, especially during this difficult times. Hence I rank LSL quite low, but LKY very high. Nothing to do with PAP or not.
It appears to me that what started as free play of voting is getting a little distorted. I suspect it won’t be too long before TT occupies the No 2 or 1 slot. Is a hidden hand at work? Is he being prepared as the next PAP candidate for Presidency to meet the potential challenge of a strong, able and people-centered man like Tan Kin Lin? If this takes off it will be a battle of the titans. I must acknowledge though that TT is an affable and decent man but sadly he will be just another current President.
ReplyDeleteTT had made a reverse decision on education. That time, he told the news that there will be no part time engineering course in NTU or NUS. that was 1992 if i remember correctly. But a two years later, the decision was reversed. It affected my decisions. I dont think has far sight. Now we have NTU, NUS, SMU, and the fourth one coming up. Dont make far sight decision. Just in time decision will be much better off.
ReplyDeleteDear Mr Tan,
ReplyDeleteI wish to request a new topic about Minister's pay. I wish to suggest that Prime Minister's pay should be tagged at average mean of Singaporean's pay (and bonuses) and reviewed annually. In that way, he (Civil Servant) is on the ground/par with the people and he can really feel with the people.
As for the Miniters, they should be 25% lower than PM.
Thank you Mr Tan for your kind service to the people.