Speaker’s Corner 27 Dec 2008
1. Meetings at Hong Lim Park
The first meeting for investors of the credit linked notes was held on 11 October 2008. This was followed by another 9 meetings. The first 8 meetings were held at weekly intervals while the last two meeting was held at fortnightly intervals. Today’s meeting is the 10th and final meeting to be held at Hong Lim Park for the credit linked notes.
You may wonder why Hong Lim Park was chosen to be the venue for the meeting. The most important reason is that it is free and is available at any time. However, it is not quite convenient, due to the lack of facilities. There is no sound system and everyone had to stand. On a few occasions, we had to share the use of the park with other activities. It rained on one meeting.
Still, it is a wonderful experience for us to meet at Hong Lim Park and to get to know each other.
2. Petitions
During the past three months, a total of four petitions sent organised, of which three petitions were presented to the Monetary Authority of Singapore.
The first petition dated 10 October and signed by 983 people, asked the Government to look into any possible wrong doings by the financial institutions that created and marketed the credit linked notes.
The second petition dated 17 October and signed by 277 people, asked the MAS to investigate the sales training given by the financial institutions to their representatives who sold the credit linked notes.
The fourth petition dated 31 October and signed by 1,073 people, asked the MAS to review the complaint handling process of the financial institutions, to set up an independent unit to receive the complaints and to encourage the financial institutions to adopt a collective approach in offering fair compensation to the investors.
These petitions were presented to the chairman and executive director of MAS and were acknowledged. My requests to meet with the chairman or senior management of MAS were declined. I received replies that any development would be communicated to the public through media releases.
Up to now, we have not received any communication on whether the specific requests contained in the petitions had been considered or implemented.
3. Complaint Handling Process
We have received reports that about 5,000 complaints had been received by the financial institutions that sold the credit linked notes. The MAS had issued a statement that the complaint handling processes of these institutions had generally met their expected standard.
We have not been provided with information on the number of people that have received full or partial compensation for the alleged mis-selling of the product. A small number of the so-called vulnerable investors had been compensated. Although the actual number is not disclosed, this is estimated to account for less than 2 percent of the investors.
The perception of the investors is quite different from the MAS. Many investors found the complaint handling process to be carried out in an unfair and unsatisfactory manner.
The anecdotal reports from any investors are that their complaints of alleged mis-selling were rejected by the financial institutions.
MAS had required the financial institutions to give their decision on each complaint within four weeks. This deadline appeared to have been not met. There are many reports from investors that they had not received any decision after six weeks or longer.
The next step for the investors is to lodge a complaint with the dispute resolution center, called FIDREC. From our survey, a small number of investors had taken this second step to lodge their complaints. Most of the investors intend to take this second step, but the process has been extremely slow and difficult.
4. Collective legal action
Many investors had indicated that they will join in a collective legal action against the financial institutions. It will be correct for me to say, on their behalf, they had taken this decision with great reluctance and difficulty. They would have preferred a more amicable way to get fair compensation for their financial loss.
I like to ask the investors to join the different groups representing the different types of credit linked notes, namely the Minibonds, High Notes, Jubilee Notes and the Pinnacle Notes.
The leaders of these groups will be holding separate meetings next year for the investors. As each group is smaller, it is easier to arrange a more conducive place to hold an indoor meeting.
Each investor group is also setting up a website and an e-mail list to communicate with their members. The key activities of these groups are to educate their members, provide assistance and advice, and to organise the collective legal action.
I shall be in touch with the leaders of these groups and to co-ordinate the activities of the various groups, if required.
5. My blog
I will continue to keep all investors updated through my blog, www.tankinlian.blogspot.com.
I wish to thank a few volunteers who had been providing me with daily updates of news and articles from other sources. I have put the relevant articles in my blog. I encourage the investors to the postings in my blog to keep in touch with the developments.
6. Conclusion
I am sorry that there was little progress in getting fair compensation for your financial losses, in spite of the great efforts that were put in by many people. We have tried many different approaches, but keep hitting a stone wall – even tough we keep our eyes “wide open”.
During the past three months, we have made many friends from among the investors and volunteers. Let us continue our friendship and continue our efforts to seek fair compensation for the investors, although the future efforts will be done outside of Hong Lim Park.
Let me wish all of you, all the best for 2009.
Tan Kin Lian
E-mail: kinlian@gmail.com. Website: www.tankinlian.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/kinlian
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16 comments:
Can someone tell me how I can get in touch with the leader of the Pinnacle Notes please.
Thank you.
FISCA will provide this opportunity
to meet , foster the friendship and discuss other financial issues. I am very sure the financial issues are plenty to keep us busy and do not end with the structured products.
There will be issues like mis-selling , conflict of interest and other issues like below.
Is wholelife product obsolete or a vehicle used by insurers and agents to line their own pockets and to upkeep them
financially?
Is ILP relevant or a creature abused by the insurers and the agents?
What about retirement planning? Are the current insurance agents qualified and competent to manage consumers' personal finance?
Is commission a fair means of remuneration for the agents who do nothing but filling up forms?
What is the best approach to consumers' financial needs?
Is product pushing or peddling by agents able to meet the needs of the buyers?
Is product pushing the cause of mis-selling?
Are the insurance products you bought need to be re-examined for their relevance; have you been sold the correct products?
Have you been mis-sold and misrepresented all these years that you were not aware of until now?
You will be surprised and shocked that your friendly next door, sincere looking insurance agents have cheated you, mis-sold and misrepresented you, unqualified and incompetent, dishonest and didn't disclose the truth and lied to you. You will be very disappointed that your insurance agents are actually monsters and were only interested in your money and not your financial well being.
These are some and there are many more and FISCA will exist to address them and expose them.
I urge all of you to come together as a body united in your fight for your right to responsible and competent financial advice.
a future member of FISCA
Thank you Mr Tan for all your time and effort in helping us. I appreciate it much.
Have a wonderful 2009.
Dear Kin Lian,
I must put on record our thanks to you - because you are a very special person - although you are not an investor but have selflessly spent the past 3 months to help us investors in getting events organized, initiated several petitions sent to the relevant authorities, holding meetings after meetings, helped planned the legal path towards claiming our lost investment etc.
We deeply appreciate your sacrifice of your own valuable time to have done all this for us, whom you hardly know. May GOD continue to bless you & your family with good health, peace and happiness in the years to come till eternity.
Dear Mr. Tan,
Thank you for the execellent effort to help all the people concerned. Despite you mentioned little progress being made relating to resolution of the compensation to structured products. I must commend on your very kind hearted and great effort to help without seeking any tangible return/reward. Wish u a successful year for 2009.
Legal action is the only way to recover your money and to bring the banks on their knees. If that is what they want give it to them. Those who have their shares I advise you throw them away before they become like minibomb too. Pay them back with their own coins.
As for the regulator you can forget about getting help from them . It has been protecting the FIs since 2000.Just check around to see if the people who have been working in this industry are getting richer or you are getting richer.The stark fact is the RMs , the bankers, the CEO of insurance companies, the insurance agents are getting richer and you are getting poorer. You have been short changed, your investment is reeling with huge losses(CPF and CASH). Why? it is sleeping.
The laws are there for show, never used, still new and squeaky clean.
If they were enforced you wouldn't have products like structured products; you wouldn't find the RMs and insurance agents breaching blatantly section 27; you wouldn't have the FIs closing their eyes to the products and their salespeople committing unethical and illegal practices under their nose.The CEOs don't care. Just bring in the sales. How the salespeople do it the CEOs don't want to know. Beg steal, rob, open your legs or bend on your knees the CEOs are not interested. Just show them the figure.
They tell you caveat emtpor, the Ah Sohs ,your grand mothers walked into the banks and bought with their eyes open after reading the prospectus, something professor of finance has difficulty understanding it.
You are on your own now.Band together to fight for your right.
Form FISCA and protect yourself against the RMs, insurance agents, the insurance companies and the banks.Remember these companies and the salespeople exist to squeeze and fleece as much out of you. They don't add value to your financial life in terms of wealth and protection.
What is the MAS up to? Their attitude seems quite stuck-up. Is this the way public servants should behave? At least they should show some courtesy by giving the petitions' status. Are our civil service really worth the money they commanded? Or they just blow their trumpets?
MX wrote.
Should the CAD invite ex-CEO Jackson Tai and ex-COO Frank Wong for coffee? Maybe they could provide some form of solution to the problem. These are talented managers who made millions during the good times. I bet they can contribute something meaningful.
by RTA
Suing the RMs for mis-selling and misrepresentation is the only way to get back your money. It is well known fact that RMs misconducted themselves. If the sellers are ignorant waht do you expect the buyers. The RMs and the FIs are jointly liable for the mis=selling.
This is your best bet.Get your lawyer to engage a financial planner to help spot the mis-selling and misrepresentation and other conflict of interest in the KYC.
Don't let them get away.They must pay for the mistakes and crime.
I feel for the disappointment and pain of the many investors, though I am not one.
But the big time (or biggest) losers in the Minibonds which are the Town Councils have not publicly shown to be doing anything to recover their losses. They have also not respond to legitimate queries on it by the residents. Is it because it is not their personal money so the pain is not there?
4.22pm, I think you are partly right. The town council are not complaining coz 1.it is not their money 2. they cannot be seen to be against the authority. They have to swallow grievances and accept that they went in with eyes open.
To Anonymous at 6.23pm
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4.22pm and 4.57pm, In addition to your points, a possibility is that the authority wants to send a message to the victims/public, that is - since Town Councils are not complaining about their huge loss, you small investors should also keep quiet and shallow the losses, and stop making noises.
This could be a strategy of the authority to sweep things under the carpet. So the authority will continue (read dreaming) working on their vision of financial hub of the east.
Dear Mr Tan K L,
Our heartfelt appreciation to you and your group of volunteers for the help and guidance you have shown for the victims of the Lehman Brothers debacle. You should be awarded a medal for valour.
Thank You
DW
Mr Tan is doing sterling service mot just for the unfortunate investors but also for all Singaporeans. Just think: there may come a day when things go wrong and the place is mismanaged. If citizens who speak up are then told that they can only appeal to the designated authorities and must accept their views then everyone would suffer. The Minibonds saga is a sad thing, but it is also a warning about whatmay happen (and unfortunately, history has it that what may happen usually will happen).
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